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	<title>Comments on: Are PolSAs the right resource for managing missing persons search?</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t disagree with any of the comments on here. 

There are though, two different issues, the first to do with the relationship between ALSAR Units and the second for the police forces themselves.

As already discussed in detail ALSAR and individual ALSAR Units do need to work closely with their local PolSAs to ensure everyone understands each other role and differing responsibilities. There are many examples of best practice around the country but all generally based upon building a good working relationship; really working so that both understand what each other does, and doesn&#039;t do, and teaching each other how to improve. ALSAR needs to work at a higher level, demonstrating the effectiveness of &quot;our&quot; way of searching for missing persons. I pointed out my disappointment of the search practice guidance when it came out that search theory was not even mentioned in it - yet supposedly we all use it to find mispers quickly and efficiently.

Within police forces, however, things could change. Why use PolSAs for missing person search that is so different from their other roles in evidence and explosive searches? Why not train other officers (because after all PolSAs require the same additional training) in missing person search? If one or two of these were based in each area it would also ease the problem of area officers trying to relinquish &quot;control&quot; of the investigation to PolSAs - effectively trying to hand it all over. The investigation and search could be run at a local level, with only search resource being brought in - including volunteer teams. 

Whilst cost should not be an issue in search [it is!] this would also be cheaper for the police - not calling in a PolSA, often a more senior (more expensive) officer, on overtime for something that could be done by someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t disagree with any of the comments on here. </p>
<p>There are though, two different issues, the first to do with the relationship between ALSAR Units and the second for the police forces themselves.</p>
<p>As already discussed in detail ALSAR and individual ALSAR Units do need to work closely with their local PolSAs to ensure everyone understands each other role and differing responsibilities. There are many examples of best practice around the country but all generally based upon building a good working relationship; really working so that both understand what each other does, and doesn&#8217;t do, and teaching each other how to improve. ALSAR needs to work at a higher level, demonstrating the effectiveness of &#8220;our&#8221; way of searching for missing persons. I pointed out my disappointment of the search practice guidance when it came out that search theory was not even mentioned in it &#8211; yet supposedly we all use it to find mispers quickly and efficiently.</p>
<p>Within police forces, however, things could change. Why use PolSAs for missing person search that is so different from their other roles in evidence and explosive searches? Why not train other officers (because after all PolSAs require the same additional training) in missing person search? If one or two of these were based in each area it would also ease the problem of area officers trying to relinquish &#8220;control&#8221; of the investigation to PolSAs &#8211; effectively trying to hand it all over. The investigation and search could be run at a local level, with only search resource being brought in &#8211; including volunteer teams. </p>
<p>Whilst cost should not be an issue in search [it is!] this would also be cheaper for the police &#8211; not calling in a PolSA, often a more senior (more expensive) officer, on overtime for something that could be done by someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://re-search.org.uk/2009/11/12/are-polsas-the-right-resource-for-managing-missing-persons-search/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with John on this.

Inclusion of POLSAs with the teams can only be of benefit. If we cant convince a POLSA of the benefits of our search methods based on the theory and the empirical evidence then perhaps we are the ones at fault.

My experience is that more and more POLSAs are attending search management courses these days and learning the skills and techniques that we use. I spent some time teaching at the Police National Search Centre some years ago and it was clear even then that the role of the POLSA was moving more and more into missing persons and that therefore a different mindset and skillset was required.

To be honest I&#039;m surprised ALSAR hasnt tapped into that particular opportunity though I hear lots of teams do have Police Officers attending their courses, which can only be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with John on this.</p>
<p>Inclusion of POLSAs with the teams can only be of benefit. If we cant convince a POLSA of the benefits of our search methods based on the theory and the empirical evidence then perhaps we are the ones at fault.</p>
<p>My experience is that more and more POLSAs are attending search management courses these days and learning the skills and techniques that we use. I spent some time teaching at the Police National Search Centre some years ago and it was clear even then that the role of the POLSA was moving more and more into missing persons and that therefore a different mindset and skillset was required.</p>
<p>To be honest I&#8217;m surprised ALSAR hasnt tapped into that particular opportunity though I hear lots of teams do have Police Officers attending their courses, which can only be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: John Howard</title>
		<link>http://re-search.org.uk/2009/11/12/are-polsas-the-right-resource-for-managing-missing-persons-search/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of issues that need to be unpicked here. In my experience the role of a PolSA is generally taken on as an additional part of someone&#039;s day job. There is therefore a wide variability in the understanding of missing persons search, generally based on how much contact the PolSA has had with a SAR team and also their personal interest and motivation to understand and apply new techniques.

I feel the way forward is to develop more formal links with PolSAs and include them as much as possible in our activities. The police have a statutory duty to manage the land search at the end of the day and I feel it is unrealistic to think that ALSAR teams would be given that same level of autonomy that MR teams might be used to given that the techniques we employ are generally less specialist than those needed above 2000m.

I agree with Jennie that we need to be much better at demonstrating what we can do and how well it does work. Evidence speaks volumes even if it does feel counterintuitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of issues that need to be unpicked here. In my experience the role of a PolSA is generally taken on as an additional part of someone&#8217;s day job. There is therefore a wide variability in the understanding of missing persons search, generally based on how much contact the PolSA has had with a SAR team and also their personal interest and motivation to understand and apply new techniques.</p>
<p>I feel the way forward is to develop more formal links with PolSAs and include them as much as possible in our activities. The police have a statutory duty to manage the land search at the end of the day and I feel it is unrealistic to think that ALSAR teams would be given that same level of autonomy that MR teams might be used to given that the techniques we employ are generally less specialist than those needed above 2000m.</p>
<p>I agree with Jennie that we need to be much better at demonstrating what we can do and how well it does work. Evidence speaks volumes even if it does feel counterintuitive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie Webster</title>
		<link>http://re-search.org.uk/2009/11/12/are-polsas-the-right-resource-for-managing-missing-persons-search/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you suggesting this from the point of veiw of the police or ALSAR?  

The police would possibly say search is search and that why not have one type of officer trained in search for various different items?  

ALSAR I feel would agree with you, that a different police mindset would make some searches easier.  But maybe this is our fault as ALSAR teams - the police would have to really trust our judgement in order to abandon their &quot;clearing&quot; mentality and allow us to potentially miss the misper...  It takes a huge leap of faith for someone to take on a whole new way of thinking and it will not happen if we cannot show the police that it works, and that it works better than their way.  I would suggest that it&#039;s not only PolSAs who would find our way of searching hard to get their heads around - it seems that a lot of people who attend UKLSI courses also find it a hard concept to grasp?

The real question should possibly be &quot;How are we going to show the police what we can do and how well it works?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you suggesting this from the point of veiw of the police or ALSAR?  </p>
<p>The police would possibly say search is search and that why not have one type of officer trained in search for various different items?  </p>
<p>ALSAR I feel would agree with you, that a different police mindset would make some searches easier.  But maybe this is our fault as ALSAR teams &#8211; the police would have to really trust our judgement in order to abandon their &#8220;clearing&#8221; mentality and allow us to potentially miss the misper&#8230;  It takes a huge leap of faith for someone to take on a whole new way of thinking and it will not happen if we cannot show the police that it works, and that it works better than their way.  I would suggest that it&#8217;s not only PolSAs who would find our way of searching hard to get their heads around &#8211; it seems that a lot of people who attend UKLSI courses also find it a hard concept to grasp?</p>
<p>The real question should possibly be &#8220;How are we going to show the police what we can do and how well it works?&#8221;</p>
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