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	<title>Comments on: Johnnie Walker&#8217;s Missing Person Search Analogy</title>
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	<description>The bloke that knows sh!t loads of dead cool stuff about search...</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Bradley</title>
		<link>http://re-search.org.uk/2009/12/03/johnnie-walkers-missing-person-search-analogy/comment-page-1/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so unfair. I&#039;m reading all these comments on my phone, but can&#039;t respond. Although to be totally fair; I don&#039;t know if I should respond here, or write a totally new post on why 100% searches have no place at the start of a vulnerable missing person search. [Again! I&#039;m sure we&#039;ve visited this a few times before!]

It is undoubtedly a widespread problem! Don&#039;t think for one second Kris that it doesn&#039;t exist in TVP too! [In an attempt to stop Area Officers passing over the missing person case to PolSAs TVP introduced a aide memoir that PolSAs use to delay a full search - but that, again, is a whole new post! In some ways a perfectly reasonable thing to do; area have to retain responsibility for the investigation! But should this be at the expense of delaying search? ]

It does need to be addressed nationally; I haven&#039;t heard of any ALSAR attempts to address it though. But, as you say, ALSAR Units are being used &quot;as resource only to cover the backside of the police service&quot; and not for their &quot;expertise and life saving ability&quot; in many cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so unfair. I&#8217;m reading all these comments on my phone, but can&#8217;t respond. Although to be totally fair; I don&#8217;t know if I should respond here, or write a totally new post on why 100% searches have no place at the start of a vulnerable missing person search. [Again! I'm sure we've visited this a few times before!]</p>
<p>It is undoubtedly a widespread problem! Don&#8217;t think for one second Kris that it doesn&#8217;t exist in TVP too! [In an attempt to stop Area Officers passing over the missing person case to PolSAs TVP introduced a aide memoir that PolSAs use to delay a full search - but that, again, is a whole new post! In some ways a perfectly reasonable thing to do; area have to retain responsibility for the investigation! But should this be at the expense of delaying search? ]</p>
<p>It does need to be addressed nationally; I haven&#8217;t heard of any ALSAR attempts to address it though. But, as you say, ALSAR Units are being used &#8220;as resource only to cover the backside of the police service&#8221; and not for their &#8220;expertise and life saving ability&#8221; in many cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Manning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris Manning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can hear Rob tapping away already :)

So, this raises a good point about using SAR teams not for their expertise and life saving ability but rather as resource only to cover the backside of the police service. 

What scares me most is Police forces that are restricting the time critical periods of searching to uniformed officers and then, when that has failed calling in specialist teams to &#039;mop up&#039; with this notion of 100% certainties. 

Is the problem widespread? We don&#039;t see this with TVP but we are lucky as our PolSAs are switched on to SAR and not often overruled by &#039;senior officers&#039;. 

Are we aware if ALSAR is doing anything at a national level to address this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can hear Rob tapping away already <img src='http://re-search.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So, this raises a good point about using SAR teams not for their expertise and life saving ability but rather as resource only to cover the backside of the police service. </p>
<p>What scares me most is Police forces that are restricting the time critical periods of searching to uniformed officers and then, when that has failed calling in specialist teams to &#8216;mop up&#8217; with this notion of 100% certainties. </p>
<p>Is the problem widespread? We don&#8217;t see this with TVP but we are lucky as our PolSAs are switched on to SAR and not often overruled by &#8216;senior officers&#8217;. </p>
<p>Are we aware if ALSAR is doing anything at a national level to address this?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnnie</title>
		<link>http://re-search.org.uk/2009/12/03/johnnie-walkers-missing-person-search-analogy/comment-page-1/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I do not think there are Search Units who believe it is effective to &#039;patchwork&#039;, I do believe that there are Units who Search in this way due to other pressures.  I have been told before now from senior levels &#039;I need to be 100% sure she isn&#039;t in that wood!&#039; Great.  I need six months and 200 searchers. ;-) It all comes back to the issue of areas being &#039;cleared&#039; (something I know will have Rob reaching for his keyboard)  Senior officers want areas cleared.  It fits with the Police Search model.  This is an area where our brothers and sisters in the mountains are far more fortunate; no one expects Nevis to be &#039;cleared&#039;.  I know of Police Services who ban purposeful wandering by their search volunteers.  Yes, you read that right.  Not insist on it.  Ban it! Patchworking does exist.  It shouldn&#039;t, but it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I do not think there are Search Units who believe it is effective to &#8216;patchwork&#8217;, I do believe that there are Units who Search in this way due to other pressures.  I have been told before now from senior levels &#8216;I need to be 100% sure she isn&#8217;t in that wood!&#8217; Great.  I need six months and 200 searchers. <img src='http://re-search.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  It all comes back to the issue of areas being &#8216;cleared&#8217; (something I know will have Rob reaching for his keyboard)  Senior officers want areas cleared.  It fits with the Police Search model.  This is an area where our brothers and sisters in the mountains are far more fortunate; no one expects Nevis to be &#8216;cleared&#8217;.  I know of Police Services who ban purposeful wandering by their search volunteers.  Yes, you read that right.  Not insist on it.  Ban it! Patchworking does exist.  It shouldn&#8217;t, but it does.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Manning</title>
		<link>http://re-search.org.uk/2009/12/03/johnnie-walkers-missing-person-search-analogy/comment-page-1/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris Manning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Johnnie,

Firstly let me start by saying that I loved the analogy and I reckon it&#039;s something i&#039;m going to be using a lot, with due credit given of course.

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&quot;A lot of Mispers die while search teams ‘patchwork’ sectors across the landscape, rather than producing a scenario based plan, and targeting specific areas by Misper type and specific intelligence.&quot; 
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That&#039;s quite a statement, it captures the attention and focuses the mind however I&#039;d like to know if there is any evidence to support that?

also, does any team really search by grid squares as opposed to scenario based searches (backed up by misper behaviour &amp; SAR theory and intelligence) - If they do then I can only think that is is because they have been called our after the Police have already done the scenario based &#039;likely places&#039; search. Certainly it was never taught as a first/second response tactic in all my years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Johnnie,</p>
<p>Firstly let me start by saying that I loved the analogy and I reckon it&#8217;s something i&#8217;m going to be using a lot, with due credit given of course.</p>
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&#8220;A lot of Mispers die while search teams ‘patchwork’ sectors across the landscape, rather than producing a scenario based plan, and targeting specific areas by Misper type and specific intelligence.&#8221;<br />
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<p>That&#8217;s quite a statement, it captures the attention and focuses the mind however I&#8217;d like to know if there is any evidence to support that?</p>
<p>also, does any team really search by grid squares as opposed to scenario based searches (backed up by misper behaviour &amp; SAR theory and intelligence) &#8211; If they do then I can only think that is is because they have been called our after the Police have already done the scenario based &#8216;likely places&#8217; search. Certainly it was never taught as a first/second response tactic in all my years.</p>
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